Everyone assumes that we need to support 3rd party publishers/developers for them to make "Hardcore" games on the Wii. I think that's backwards. If their game is desirable by enough people it'll sell good. If not, is it average customers fault? Is it the "hardcore's" fault? Is it my fault? NO! It's their fault. We don't need to raise money like it's some kind of charity. They're companies; some of are multinational. They're not bums they can earn their cash like everyone else. The Conduit & MadWorld if they're appeling enough to people they will buy it. If they don't make "Hardcore" games anymore because those 2 failed then so be it. They're obviously not making very appeling ones then. As long as they make games that people want more than others. They will sell. Be honest most of the "good" games that didn't sell well were about as appeling as a indie film about mimes locked in a cabine who over the course of the move come to term with their situation. And we're better off without them. Uninteresting games never sale no matter how much journalist and forum posters rave about them. A game may sale that's uninteresting to you personnally but if no one is interested in it it will not sale. The reverse is true where if a game is truely interesting it will always sell (assuming money exists and people have enough of it.) So don't be suckers.